HMRC quarterly tax submission petition response

So I signed the petition “Scrap plans forcing self employed & small business to do 4 tax returns a yearly” and due to the number of signaturies a response from the government was required.

Here it is in full taken from the email update:

Making Tax Digital will not mean ‘four tax returns a year’. Quarterly updates will largely be a matter of checking data generated from record keeping software or apps and clicking ‘send’.

These reforms will not mean that businesses have to provide the equivalent of four tax returns every year. Updating HMRC through software or apps will deliver a light-touch process, much less burdensome and time-consuming than it is today.

At the March 2015 Budget the government committed to transform the tax system by introducing simple, secure and personalised digital tax accounts, removing the need for annual tax returns.

At the 2015 Spending Review the government announced it would invest £1.3bn in HMRC to make this vision a reality, transforming HMRC into one of the most digitally advanced tax administrations in the world.

One element of this vision will be asking most businesses, self-employed people and landlords to keep track of their tax affairs digitally and update HMRC at least quarterly via their digital tax account.

Many taxpayers have told HMRC that they want more certainty over their tax bill, and don’t want to wait until the end of the year, or even longer, before knowing where they stand with their taxes.

We also estimate that £6.5bn in tax goes unpaid every year because of mistakes made when filling in tax returns. These reforms will make it easier for taxpayers to maintain accurate and up-to-date tax affairs, reducing the scope for error.

With businesses keeping track of their tax affairs digitally, quarterly updates will be fundamentally different from filling out an annual tax return in a number of crucial respects:

• Quarterly updates will not involve all the complexity of a full tax return. The updates will be generated from existing digital business records. In most cases, little or no further entry of information will be needed. It will be much quicker to complete than the current tax return.
• As part of the process the business owner or individual will receive a developing in-year picture of their tax position, helping people have greater certainty about what they owe, allowing them to plan their finances more effectively. This differs from the current system where many taxpayers are caught out by their tax bill when it finally arrives.
• In-year updates will not be subject to the same sanctions for lateness or inaccuracies as apply now to the year-end position. HMRC will consult during 2016 on what sanctions might be appropriate for a more digital tax administration.

The government has already announced that these measures will not apply to individuals in employment or pensioners, unless they have secondary incomes of more than £10,000 per year from self-employment or property.

The reforms will rely on businesses, self-employed people and landlords using software or apps that can connect securely to their digital tax account. The government will ensure that free products are available. The Gov.UK service will signpost taxpayers to the right product, with clear HMRC guidance about how to choose software.

HMRC will ensure support is available for people to get online if they need it. We will also provide alternatives for those who genuinely cannot use digital tools, like telephone filing. This will build on our Needs Extra Support service, which has gone from strength to strength in helping more vulnerable customers.

We’re introducing these reforms gradually. We’ve been in discussion with stakeholders since March 2015 and will be consulting on the details of the proposals throughout 2016.

We will use volunteers to test the new tools and processes and give us feedback. Quarterly updates will be introduced for some from 2018, and will be phased in fully by 2020, giving taxpayers time to adapt.

We want to work with all stakeholders to ensure these changes work for them. For more information about the proposed reforms please search for ‘Making Tax Digital’ on Gov.UK or use the following link:


and this is the bit that I’m really not so impressed with:

“At the 2015 Spending Review the government announced it would invest £1.3bn in HMRC to make this vision a reality, transforming HMRC into one of the most digitally advanced tax administrations in the world.”

Because any UK government (of the time) has such a great success with IT projects. When the system is half launched several years late and many times over budget I wonder who will get fined when the self employed / small business tax return fails to be received correctly by the new system.

I’m certainly not against the idea of sending through more regular updates on income and expenses, and having a better idea of my tax position from an HMRC point of view can only be a good thing.  (Although in the 5 years I’ve been self-employed my accountant has got the numbers right every time – so I’m always aware 9 months before payment of my corporate tax is due what the numbers are.)

Oh and £1.3Bn feels like an absolute fuckmunch(tm) of cash, but then without a full specification and a brief of “transforming HMRC” the number plucked out of the air was bound to be large, especially when I imagine the queue of large consulting firms waiting in the wings to roll in with armies of consultants and burn through that particular pile of cash.

Finally I would imagine that if any government (of the time) went up to the large enterprises currently engaged in wholesale tax avoidance programs they will recover more than the £6.5Bn they “estimate” the self employed and small businesses are currently not paying.  I would also suggest they would end up with some spare change to fund this program, but then I guess the large enterprises have better and more expensive lawyers than small business.

One Reply to “HMRC quarterly tax submission petition response”

  1. Increased numbers of civil servants & consultants to ‘service’ the new system, decreased availability of HMRC staff to deal with the public and absolutely no guarantee that HMRC’s figures will be accurate. You know it all adds up.

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